32 die a week after failing the ESA assessment

[cliff1961]

Personally myself after i read all the people that have not fairly been assessed and Genuine Disabled forced into work not being healthy enough to go back to work and later died.

It seem ridicolous to me that all the different health organisations, heart, cancer, epilepsy etc etc along with welfare societies do not "demand" an investigation within the company "atos".
If a memeber of family looses their claim and is forced back into work then the family should be compensated for eg £100.000 taken from the profits of atos!

Then this would resolve the matter and everyone will get treated more fairly because at present all they are doing is pleasing the figures for the government, you or i are just a number to them.

Prior to all the assessments one comment i will always have stuck in my head is david cameron stating everyone will be treated fairly.

The system is not working Fairly!

Organisations need to demand investigation.

[Paul]

Ok so in 2009, 491,348 people died*.

The UK Population is roughly 62,300,000** which equates to a 0.8% death rate.

The 8000 people [who died] apparently represent just 1% of all claiming ESA = 800,000 people (1.2% of population claim ESA)

Therefore those claiming ESA are 1.25 times more likely to die (1% claiming ESA compared to 0.8% in Population).

Lets see what other stupid stats people can report on or you could take it as, people who have disabilities are more likely to die than the fit and healthy - would you believe it!


*http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...=ILCNETTXT3487

**http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population

[davewhit]

Ok so in 2009, 491,348 people died*.

The UK Population is roughly 62,300,000** which equates to a 0.8% death rate.

The 8000 people [who died] apparently represent just 1% of all claiming ESA = 800,000 people (1.2% of population claim ESA)

Therefore those claiming ESA are 1.25 times more likely to die (1% claiming ESA compared to 0.8% in Population).

Lets see what other stupid stats people can report on or you could take it as, people who have disabilities are more likely to die than the fit and healthy - would you believe it!


*http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...=ILCNETTXT3487

**http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population

better put that I did but the same sick people and healthy people die


and just think of all the not sick people going to work each day who also just die

[Paul]

I love the story used as well.

A person who suffers from repeated heart attacks, who then claims ESA and dies of a heart attack - obviously the fault of the ESA.

[cliff1961]

Paul,


What people are saying There are many lives lost on ESA which could be avoided!

[davewhit]

I love the story used as well.

A person who suffers from repeated heart attacks, who then claims ESA and dies of a heart attack - obviously the fault of the ESA.

and given many people with angina do work atos are going to find some fit for work who will soon die

dont get me wrong I dont think atos do a good job ........ but lets stick to blaming them for what they do wrong often seem to have reports that the person being tested says has little to do with there condition ........ which then makes the DM job even harder

[cliff1961]

and given many people with angina do work atos are going to find some fit for work who will soon die

dont get me wrong I dont think atos do a good job ........ but lets stick to blaming them for what they do wrong often seem to have reports that the person being tested says has little to do with there condition ........ which then makes the DM job even harder

As long as Atos gets the figures down to please who you call the "DM" he could not care less, it makes his job easier, he has saved more money from the Genuine Disabled to give to countries abroad!

[davewhit]

Paul,


What people are saying There are many lives lost on ESA which could be avoided!

how ? I am not sure how

[Paul]

Paul,


What people are saying There are many lives lost on ESA which could be avoided!

The only way of knowing that is if each death had a post mortem and the forensics team stated death by ESA.

[warkman]

Hang on.
If you read the actual article, then tehy are stating "Between January and August last year 1,100 claiments died after they were put in a work related activity group"
That is NOT saying that the cause of death was changing from one group to another, you would need to see the cause of death of each of those people to see the real rwason they died.

It also says "This compres to 5,300 deaths of people who were put into the support group" So shouldn't the title of this discussion be 168 die a week after PASSING the ESA assesment?

Perhaps is they had not been moved that figure would have risen to 6,400 deaths of people in support group? What exactly is the OP trying to say here?

You have no proof that the change over had any effect on the length of life these individuals ahd, People die and they die every day. Can you absolutly and positively say that iF they had been lkeft in a support group they would be alive? have you any proof of this? especially on teh figures of those who died in the Support group