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    TONIGHT - BBC2 9PM - "The Future State of Welfare with John Humphrys"

    Make sure to tune in tonight, BBC2 at 9pm...

    In February 2011, David Cameron announced a welfare reform bill he described as the most fundamental, ambitious and radical since the benefit system began. The cost of benefit, he said, had gone up by nearly 60 billion pounds in the last decade. Critics say that the welfare state is in crisis.

    And yet at the same time, there's resounding support among the British public for welfare. In an Ipsos MORI poll commissioned for this programme, 92 per cent of adults agreed with the statement that it is important to have a benefits system to provide a safety net for anyone that needs it.

    John Humphrys travels the country to talk to the people with the most to lose: people on incapacity benefit; the long-term unemployed; people on housing benefit; lone parents. Are they prepared for the harsher future ahead? He returns to the area where he was born - Splott in Cardiff - to show how attitudes to work and welfare have changed in his lifetime. When he was growing up, a man who didn't work was regarded as a pariah; today, one in four of the working-age population in Splott is on some form of benefit. John also visits America, where 15 years ago they embarked on what has been called a 'welfare revolution'. Is this more punitive model where the UK heading? He looks at specific reforms the Government has in mind or has begun already.

    Humphrys concludes that the public don't like what they see as a growing sense of entitlement among some groups claiming benefits, and politicians respond to the public mood. He argues that there is strong consensus across political divides, and that reform would edge the UK back towards the original Beveridge vision of welfare.
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    Your view on the Mori poll is not fully accurate, yes, it said that most agreed in a benefits system. However, the same poll said they they want stricter tests for those on IB, cuts to those refusing jobs, people forced to move to cut Housing Benefits.
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    I saw the TV programme

    I found it quite an interesting programme. I wasn't aware that our welfare reform system was modeled around an American system based in New York.

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    £2,300 a monrh Housing Benefit, how can that carry on NO counrty/goverment can afford to pay that for 1 famuly.
    ( I could not understand answeres, being blind so not seeing sub titles and I only understand English )

    £150 a month benefit in Poland
    £150 plus a week in England,


    things have to change, for the UK to survive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stepheninleeds View Post
    Your view on the Mori poll is not fully accurate, yes, it said that most agreed in a benefits system. However, the same poll said they they want stricter tests for those on IB, cuts to those refusing jobs, people forced to move to cut Housing Benefits.
    Not my view, it was the view and synopsis of the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b016ltsh
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    I haven't watched it yet, I'll have to wait for tomorrow - my wife doesn't like watching those programmes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    I haven't watched it yet, I'll have to wait for tomorrow - my wife doesn't like watching those programmes.
    some of its scarey people saying things which dont help anyone.... supprised they did not keep it till hallowen

    Oh thet dont need to next week I think or coming soon they have another program on benefits cheats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    Not my view, it was the view and synopsis of the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b016ltsh
    Apologies then. An unfair view from them.

    Yes, HB is out of control, but as they are doing with other benefits, they are making cuts that are unfair to HB. The benefits has to take into account region of the country, personal need, disabilities, availability of housing & rents in the area. It is not us that are setting the rents, it is often greedy landlords who know they can fleece the Councils. Sadly, cutting HB does not cut the rents. We are seeing people out on the street with nowhere to go as there is not enough affordable or Council housing.
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    The original Beveridge plan was to provide the 'safety net' which should still be the basis of any welfare system. And at the time it was only that - the basics of Supplementary Benefit, Family Allowance, Unemployability Supplement, Widows Pension, and some basic diasability payments.
    Beveridge based his report on an immediate post war Britain where there were many war widows with young families, and plenty of workers needed to rebuild the countries' infrastructure.
    Times have changed, and the welfare system has grown in a very haphazard and reactionary way to try to cope. It isn't working - but it is impossible to return it to basics because it has become such a complex animal. There is also, sadly, an inevitable benefits culture as a result of over 60 years of welfare, and the loss of skilled jobs. We have also lost suitable work places for people with long term disabilities, and have many home owners in trouble who were encouraged to buy houses by the Thatcher government.

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    Remember when the pension first came in? Women had a hard job claiming it. They had to prove they were of a certain character, did not drink or smoke, did not have children out of wedlock, were not divorced, etc.

    The basic question is do we need it all, what is the limit, how do you decide a fair limit? without Housing & Councild Tax Benefit I could not pay them. Without Income Support (Even though they take almost all of that back because of my Carers Allowance) I would not get free prescriptions, dental, glasses, etc. I could not pay them. Without DLA I could not afford my gas, electric, water. I could not afford taxis, food, clothing. It all starts to add up. Where is the line on what I say I need to survive-not live on-and what the State says I can live on?
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