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    Quote Originally Posted by gone View Post
    So, I noticed that you said that the ESA56 form is only given when you have no F2F. I did get/ask for the ESA56 when I asked for the LT54, but I had a F2F, so maybe it's generated for all decisions, not just those with no F2F?
    Thanks for prompting me to look at this again, as a result I found two more links to examples to add to the list above.

    It may well be that they have changed how they use the ESA56.

    As I understood it in the past the ESA56 was used by the DM when he wanted to put down his thoughts on what the assessment would have scored - if there had been one. (It was also done as a 'double check' by a different DM if/when you ask for a reconsideration)
    If there had been a WCA f2f or paper then there would already be a scoresheet done by the assessor.

    It has always been difficult to track down information about this particular form.

    But as mentioned I have now found an example, albeit from 2014, which I have added in the list above.
    (I also found in the same place an example LT54 which I hadn't been able to provide before).

    It is interesting that the example ESA56 I found contains a column for the "Customer score" - where is this "Customer score" supposed to come from?
    Has anyone ever been asked to score themselves?


    PS. I've had a look back at my 'court bundle' from 2011 and that too has an ESA56 in it, and I also had a f2f.
    I do note though that my ESA56 was only done after I requested a reconsideration, one had not been done by the original DM.
    I also note that my ESA56 does not include a "Customer score" column.

    I'll see what else I can find about this form and how they are using it, it's been I while since I last searched and some new info may have come to light.
    Last edited by nukecad; 08-07-2017 at 01:38 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nukecad View Post
    Thanks for prompting me to look at this again, as a result I found two more links to examples to add to the list above.

    It may well be that they have changed how they use the ESA56.

    As I understood it in the past the ESA56 was used by the DM when he wanted to put down his thoughts on what the assessment would have scored - if there had been one. (It was also done as a 'double check' by a different DM if/when you ask for a reconsideration)
    If there had been a WCA f2f or paper then there would already be a scoresheet done by the assessor.

    It has always been difficult to track down information about this particular form.

    But as mentioned I have now found an example, albeit from 2014, which I have added in the list above.
    (I also found in the same place an example LT54 which I hadn't been able to provide before).

    It is interesting that the example ESA56 I found contains a column for the "Customer score" - where is this "Customer score" supposed to come from?
    Has anyone ever been asked to score themselves?


    PS. I've had a look back at my 'court bundle' from 2011 and that too has an ESA56 in it, and I also had a f2f.
    I do note though that my ESA56 was only done after I requested a reconsideration, one had not been done by the original DM.
    I also note that my ESA56 does not include a "Customer score" column.

    I'll see what else I can find about this form and how they are using it, it's been I while since I last searched and some new info may have come to light.

    Hmmm...I'm not sure. I mean, on my DM scoresheet there's no "Customer Score" column, but there is the column for the HCP and the DM - it is labelled as LT54/ESA56 07/17 at the bottom though so it is the correct, albeit more recent, version of the form. But I didn't do an MR or go to a tribunal for it, so maybe that's why there's a Customer Score column on the version you've found? Like so they could see discrepancy between how the claimant perceives/explains their difficulties with each task and how the HCP (and by extension the DM) scores them?? I dunno...Sorry if that's worded weirdly, my brain isn't working. Then again maybe they only generated me a copy because my mum asked for it (she wanted to know why I was placed in SG for some reason, guess she just wanted to have all the information they had on me, haha).

    If you want I could try and scan/upload (and take my information out) a copy of my form and then you could C&P a link? I am not very well at the minute so not sure when I'd be able to get that to you (I'd need to ask my mum), but if you wanted it I would try to! Side note, it was pretty easy to get for the most part - I was in the room when my mum was asking for the LT54/ESA56, so I'm pretty sure if anyone else is interested in this kinda stuff then they shouldn't have a problem getting it.

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    I do know a friend of mine (recently) asked for her set of LT54/ESA56's with relative ease and she had a set from both before AND after her MR. And they were set out the same as mine. She was found FFW originally and then placed in SG on Substantial Risk grounds after the MR, didn't go to a Tribunal.
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    Thanks for the offer but please don't bother scanning a copy.

    When I started adding Downloads and examples I decided that it would be better to give links to webpages where the various forms could be found rather than uploading copies onto the yourable server.

    Using weblinks like this ensures that the Downloadable/fillable forms are always the latest offical version, (although the Example ones may not be).

    ..it is labelled as LT54/ESA56 07/17 at the bottom..
    That sounds like thay may have combined the 2 forms into one? (as recently as last month?).
    Or maybe they generated a combined report when you requested one?

    (It has often been suspected that they do this, one version for their files and a slightly different version for you or the court to see).

    I'll keep looking, but like I say above they are very reluctant to let people have blank examples of some of these report forms.
    (Possibly because they are different from the ones they give to us?).

    We could do with a mole who has access to the Decision Makers stationary cupboard (or report templates).
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    I too have what appears to be incomplete LT54 / ESA56 07/17 set of forms, What i got sent came stapled together, and on the bottom R-hand corner says page 1 of 6 But there is only 2 sheets of paper printed on both sides and numbered from page 1 of 6 to 4 of 6

    I have the first 2 pages of the LT54 similar to the earlier version which outlines that i meet LCW and have scored 15 points as well as also further meeting the criteria for LCWRA ,in one or more descriptor of schedule 3 under reg 34, as well as saying the date of the decision and how long before they should refer me for another wca

    then i have a page which is a score sheet which shows the descriptors for LCW and which i scored point for, as well as it saying at the foot of the page combined score limited capability for work ( page 4) page 3 is a small amount of txt that says the law social security act ect ect, so maybe part of the lt54 too,
    there was no score sheet for LWCRA or any info what descriptor i meet that criteria , i know that it wont be the same one as i got LCW on , so there must be another score sheet, also when i requested the lt54, and esa 85 report they sent me a ESA85 report from a previous esa claim back from when atos where doing the WCA, i failed and scored nil pwah that time

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    Has anyone ever printed off an IS10 form from the internet and filled it out and sent it to the DWP? I am thinking of doing this myself although it might be a waste of time because apparently they no longer send these forms out.

    I asked a relative to phone the DWP the other week to request an IS10 form be sent out to me, they didn't mention anything about not sending them anymore. I received the IS10 a few days later but noticed there was no mention of PIP in the questions and only DLA. If I am reading the date on the bottom of the form correctly it looks like a rather old version, it says 12/05 so does that mean it was from 2005?

    Anyway, I asked my relative to phone again asking why I wasn't sent an updated IS10 form (like the one in the link on page one of this thread) and they said that I shouldn't have been sent out the IS10 as they no longer send them out and it's done over the phone now instead.

    I would prefer to do it by form if I can but don't want to waste time if it won't get accepted when they receive it.
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    It's one of those stupid things.

    Yes it's an old form that has not been updated.
    Yes it does not mention PIP, because it's an old form.

    But it is still the correct form to use.

    Forget what the phone jockeys say, fill in the form you have been sent and return it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nukecad View Post
    It's one of those stupid things.
    Yes it's an old form that has not been updated.
    Yes it does not mention PIP, because it's an old form.
    But it is still the correct form to use.
    Forget what the phone jockeys say, fill in the form you have been sent and return it.
    Thanks nukecad I will do that. I'll cross out DLA and write in PIP.
    Over 80 minutes on hold to be told two different things by two different people, at least it's a free number.

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    Just reading this again it does seem that you have been sent an older version.
    They probably had a load of them lying about to use up rather than throwing them away.

    You do still see quite a few forms (and government/DWP websites) that have not yet been updated to say PIP as well as DLA.
    It doesn't really matter, they know that DLA/PIP are interchangable on these forms.

    I still wouldn't worry about it, fill in the one they sent you and send it back.
    (Just like you would if you had never come across the one linked in this thread).
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    After I got my PIP award I was sent an updated ESA entitlement thing and separately an SDP form, I don't think I'm entitled to SDP though because I live with my parents (and they don't get PIP, etc.). It's weird, because my friend who probably is entitled to SDP didn't get the form and had to fill it in over the phone?

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