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    I want to leave the work choice programme.

    As the title suggests really, I'm in the WRAG Contribution Based and I volunteered to go on the work choice programme for 6 months module 1 and hopefully get a bit more help in gaining much needed employment.

    All my advisor at the private provider does is email me jobs as seen on the usual jobsites like indeed, cv lib. jobsite and others, the thing is i spend 2-3 hours a day looking myself at the said jobsites. they even wanted me to have reiki at the centre but i declined as I'm trying to recover from major spinal fusion.
    Even had a better off in work calculation that i had to explain I am entitled to disability element of tax credits if i gained employment that the advisor did not know about.

    Now i have had an email saying Please can you ensure you attend the office on 7th and 9th November to attend job clubs to gain support with finding and applying for jobs. I (advisor) am away next week but you still need to attend the office.

    I cannot find out that as this was voluntary if i leave the programme and whether or not i will be sanctioned and have my ESA stopped or cut as my CB runs out in june 2017,Ii know you get sanctioned on the work programme.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Is this 'Work Choice', or the 'Work Programme', or some other programme?

    The exact name of the programme may help say which, as may the name of the provider.
    (If its only for 6 months then I assume that it is not the Work Programme because that one is for 2 years).

    The problem with some of these programmes is that even if you volunteer, once you have started it becomes mandatory.

    That doesn't mean that every activity they ask you to do is mandatory, just that you are on the programme for the full haul.

    It depends just what programme it is as to what they can make you do or not do.
    That's why its important to have the exact name of it so we can try and find the conditions it works under.
    The fact that they wanted you to do reiki suggests it may be one of the 'pilot' courses they are trying out.

    From what you say they are not asking you to apply for jobs or do any work, just to have 'support' with how to jobsearch.
    That is reasonable for someone in WRAG.

    Most of these programmes are totally useless, but if you are in WRAG you have to do them once you are mandated or volunteer.

    If you let us know exactly what it is called then we can see if we can find just what they are allowed (and not allowed) to ask you to do on it.
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    Hi Nuke.
    It is work choice.

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    I was originally told they had a great network of employers who specifically employ disabled workers but it seems untrue.
    They just email me the same vacancies I've already either applied for or find unsuitable due to my needs, having worked in the water industry for the past 5 years I'm not exactly in need of basic courses and have already several CVs tailored for specific roles.

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    The problem is that "Work Choice" is just a catch-all term for lots of different programmes.

    Some "Work Choice" programmes are for job seekers, some are for disabled, some are for those in work already.

    All these different programmes have their own different rules.

    Do you have anything more specific as a programe title?
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    Well the very limited paperwork given to just States work choice.
    As I'm on ESA I'm assuming it will be for disabled looking to get into work 16+ hours P/W.
    Nowhere does it mention in my objectives having to attend job clubs for job searching, something I can do better at home without the distractions. They have tried to get me to cold call employers for jobs also.

    The only job that they have tried to suggest was a commute of 40miles away, something impossible when I cannot sit/stand for more than an hour at a time due to the fusion and numbness in legs.
    Unfortunately I cannot cope with another 4 months of getting knowhere and lining shaw trusts pockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nukecad View Post
    The problem is that "Work Choice" is just a catch-all term for lots of different programmes.

    Some "Work Choice" programmes are for job seekers, some are for disabled, some are for those in work already.

    All these different programmes have their own different rules.

    Do you have anything more specific as a programe title?
    After waiting over 18 hours for my other post to appear here it is again.

    On the paperwork given it just states Work choice, as i'm disabled and claiming CB ESA WRAG I'm assuming it will be that programme and paperwork given to me is very vague, just has differing goals and nothing about having to attend Job Club at all or applying for jobs either, it states seeking work over 16hrs P/W.

    So if I attend next week to use their outdated computers to job search but not apply it seems a waste of their time and it's only what i'm doing at home anyway without all the distractions and comfort.
    As said also i get sent the same jobs via email which i have already seen on my PC at home or applied that day anyway And as i can read, write and use a pc and already had several CV'S and cover letters they don't seem to know what to do.

    My reasoning is i can do a lot more job searching and research at home without having to waste a least half a day getting ready to go out and struggling to drive and walk with crutches to their offices in pain several times a week.

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    OK you say it's with the Shaw Trust.

    Are you aware that they are owners of this Forum?
    Is that why you posted here?
    Forum members here have nothing to do with the Shaw Trust or DLF, we are people who have disabilities ourselves and come here to help and support others.

    The Shaw Trust webpages say that they provide both the "Work Programme" (which I have the providers guides for) and "Work Choice".

    Their blurb says
    Work Choice is the government’s specialist disability employment
    provision. It enables people to find and retain work through personalised
    support. Shaw Trust Work Choice services are delivered throughout the
    UK. Work Choice is co-financed through the European Social Fund.
    Typical rubbish that says nothing.

    There is supposed to be a webpage specifically about Work Choice with them, but it gives a '404 - page not found' error.
    (Their Work Programme page also gives the same error).

    I will keep looking to see what I can find;

    In the meantime I suggest that you contact your advisor (DEA) at the Jobcentre (not the programme) and telling them that you are not happy on the scheme.

    EDIT:
    I have found the Work Choice Provider Guidance documents.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...vider-guidance

    Hopefully these will be like the Work Programme Guidance and will set out what they can and can't do.
    I'll have a read later, but need to go to a doctors appointment now about my recent heart attack.
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    After having popped down to the offices of the work choice provider they have said I will have to wait until my advisor returns next week and leaving should not affect my ESA payments but after a call to the JCP I have an appointment with my DEA advisor to try and clarify things up but the call centre advisor did say it might affect my ESA.

    The JCP mentioned It was mandatory at the last meeting but they may be getting the ESA WFI mixed up with the work choice.

    I am Work choice module 1 and have a link to the gov.uk uploads but still cannot find and info on leaving.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...e-section4.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by markt1968 View Post
    The JCP mentioned It was mandatory at the last meeting but they may be getting the ESA WFI mixed up with the work choice.
    I think they are more likely getting it mixed with the Work Programme, which is mandatory for WRAG.
    (Although its only mandatory once they send you, in some cases they can defer this).

    From a quick read of that Guidance I linked above I can't find anwhere that says Work Choice becomes mandatory once you volunteer (Unlike Work Programme which does).
    There again I've not yet found anything about leaving Work Choice either?

    Like I say there is a lot to read there so it will have to wait till later.
    Why not have a trawl through the guides youself, it's always good to know as much as you can about any programme you are on.
    I also found these which are the memos that clarify/modify the main guides:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...-running-memos
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