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Thread: Now it's my turn! Advice and guidance needed on IB migration.

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    Now it's my turn! Advice and guidance needed on IB migration.

    Dear All,

    It is now my (and my partners) turn to write asking for your help and guidance. This morning I received the ‘dreaded brown envelope’ from JCP informing me ‘the benefit you receive is changing’ and although I have been expecting this, nothing can describe the panic and anxiety that has set in, and is already affecting me physically and mentally, even though I have a little knowledge having read various dreadful experiences of others, on this site and a couple of others.

    I will no doubt be asking advice and guidance throughout my migration and this is my first!

    I was under the impression that commencement of migration began with a telephone call from JCP and then the medical questionnaire ESA50 would be sent to you. However, I have not had any telephone call and only received this letter which (apart from other info says):

    ‘What we are going to do.
    We need to telephone you to talk about how this change will affect you and to answer any questions you have. We currently do not hold a telephone number for you so please call us on the above number in the next 7 days. This is a local rate call.

    …After the call we will send you a questionnaire to complete with details of your illness or disability. This questionnaire is called the limited capability for work.

    …After we have received your questionnaire we will contact you and tell you what you need to do next. You may need to attend a work capability assessment….’

    My 1st query is should I (or in fact my partner who deals with the majority of calls made and received) actually telephone JCP as they request bearing in mind that I understand you are being assessed from the very start!? Or should I just wait for the ESA50 to arrive in the post?

    The reason why partner deals with the majority of calls made and received is because1), I am unable to handle a telephone or dial due to my C.I.P.N. (chemotherapy induced peripheral neuropathy) which affects my grip strength, manual dexterity and severe cramping of my hands. Another reason is the fact that I suffer from severe chronic atopic eczema, which again badly affects my hands (as well as the whole of my body).

    And 2), whether due to my depressive states and moods, I will not answer telephone, or let my partner, if I do not know who is calling, which in itself causes me paranoia and anxiety.

    Or should I let my partner make the call as they request in the hope that the JCP are doing telephone assessments and together with information already held about me that this may negate the need for any ESA50 to be completed, or am I just being wishful?

    I look forward to any advice and guidance that any of you are able to offer in respect of this post and no doubt of the further posts and queries that I will be leaving.

    Anxiously yours,

    spencer69

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    Call them, simple as that as they have asked you to do so. Others will give greater detail & reasons. Why I say to do so is simply because they have said to, so if you do not they could take this as a refusal to cooperate. Ask any questions you have, raise concerns, etc. Do not just have them take your number. They do conduct phone interviews & assessments, this is very normal. Do not worry about this.

    As to issues restricting your ability to converse on the phone, this is something you need to inform them off, & may need to prove in writing. There are others who have similar issues, & sadly the Social are not very understanding of this.

    You will still have to fill a form in, this is the norm now. do not over think this.
    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
    Stephen

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    I agree what Stephen written above.

    Nothing to add as such. I cannot use telephone very well myself, as I am deaf. My mum had to informed them JCP, they were nice actually. Once you received your ESA50 questionaire, try and gather as much medical evidence as you can, get your GP or Consultation to write in your support, keep copies of everything. I am still new to this ESA myself. Sorry If I wasn't much help.

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    Fill the ESA form in chapter an verse of everything which is not right with you from major things like your deafness right through to lesser things say perhaps migranes (if that's how it's spelt ) . Get supporting documentation this will save time as they will contact your GP anyway so a supporting letter from HIM/her will go a long way .

    I sent mine back in October was told by phone that i had been placed in the support group but have yet to recieve a letter telling me so and am still being paid IB . This may be because i will get a few quid more when i change over so they will wait until they have to

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    Sorry all for just shot off and not coming back,been a touch busy doing some research for a friend on IB to esa transition.

    Spencer: you need to collect as much information on your condition as you can, from your GP,consultant and any specialist nurses you see. DO THIS NOW. also make sure you have copy's of the repeat prescription form and copy's of the leaflet that comes with your drugs.
    You need to fill that form in as if you are writing about your worst day ever.but don't over do it.You will be found out.

    Now get photocopies of all this. Mark each copy with your name,your NI number and write on each copy Page 1 of 20.
    Along with all this,Draft a letter asking for your assessment/medical to be recorded,don't be fobbed off.it is your right.

    also using google read a copy of the WCA Handbook and memories it or print it off,its 186 pages.
    Also The HCP gets a bonus if your found fit for work. So they are not your friend.

    Read this link and you will see what a mean http://calumslist.org/facts/
    Please don't be shy There are now people that have studied these people and have an understanding on what they are now doing to the disabled.
    PM me and I can point you to a few that are so clued up on this it will make your head spin.

    ALL the best and I am contactable if you need more help.

    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stig View Post
    Fill the ESA form in chapter an verse of everything which is not right with you from major things like your deafness right through to lesser things say perhaps migranes (if that's how it's spelt ) . Get supporting documentation this will save time as they will contact your GP anyway so a supporting letter from HIM/her will go a long way .

    I sent mine back in October was told by phone that i had been placed in the support group but have yet to recieve a letter telling me so and am still being paid IB . This may be because i will get a few quid more when i change over so they will wait until they have to
    They will not contact your doctor if they can get away with it. An HCP's job is to lie through there teeth and get you off IB or as far away from the support group as they can.Without contacting anybody. Google ATOS horror stories and you will see I'm not talk poo mate.

    they need to keep people away from the people that know whats going on. Why do you think they are now trying to shut-down over 20 help sites. And the only way to stay safe from closure.Is to move your web site on to an Icelandic server.

    Us google more,thats what it is there for.

    Phil

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    The pone call will have to be made first. But your partner can make the call providing you are with her at the time - you will need to be able to confirm your identity to them, and explain why you are needing help with the call. It would help if you have a phone that you can put onto loudspeaker - or maybe if you have an extension phone you and you partner could use one each? Otherwise see how they want to deal with it. They might just say they will send out the form anyway without the hassle of too many questions on the phone, providing they understand what the problems are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilH View Post
    They will not contact your doctor if they can get away with it. An HCP's job is to lie through there teeth and get you off IB or as far away from the support group as they can.Without contacting anybody. Google ATOS horror stories and you will see I'm not talk poo mate.

    they need to keep people away from the people that know whats going on. Why do you think they are now trying to shut-down over 20 help sites. And the only way to stay safe from closure.Is to move your web site on to an Icelandic server.

    Us google more,thats what it is there for.

    Phil
    Don't believe everything you read on the internet

    Not contacting GPs and/or other doctors + lying through their teeth is the reason why so many refused claims are being granted either at reconsideration or appeal.
    Regarding using google more lmao if I wanted every government agency of the many nations which monitor google to know exactly where I live/who i am i would use google .

    Big brother is here and watching our every move

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    Hi to all that responded and many thanks for all content. I may well accept advice and contact directly those who have offered. As I say in my original post above, I have a little knowledge of the migration and some of the horror stories.

    I apologise for not having been able to reply earlier to those who have responded but it has taken ‘til now to get over the original panic and anxiety resulting is lack of sleep, extended and prolonged episodes of scratching and tearing myself to shreds (one of my problems is severe eczema) due to the stress that this is already causing. This is one of my problems and although we can all appear to be anonymous on this site I still find it difficult to discuss my problems in detail on places like this and therefore, may take up your offer (I think Phil) if you will let me know how to contact you directly.

    As a start, I thought if you asked those (DWP/JCP) who will be looking over ESA50 and answers in response explaining all that is wrong with you and how these impact on your daily life, that it is for them to contact GP or Consultant, if you so inform them (DWP/JCP) to, in order for confirmation?

    Or is the onus upon us to obtain such confirmation etc.?

    Again many thanks and knowing there are people out there in similar situation willing to assist is a help in itself.

    spencer69 (can I just add, (this is the lady typing these posts on behalf of my OH) that it is good to know that we do not have to undertake this journey alone and are grateful for all help received).

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    I hope you are feeling better.

    What is normal is to provide contact details of doctors & any others, who can help your claim. Many advise you contact these people yourself & get that information & include it in any claim. Usually when you put in any claim they contact your GP first, then anyone else based on what medical conditions you have. When it comes to an appeal it is different as you are challenging a decision & need to show why you do not agree, or why something is wrong, or what they may not have considered, or who said something that was not correct, who made an error, who omitted something, some may even say correct a lie.

    It is a personal choice I think, whether you just give them the details of your conditions, & contact details of GP or anyone else, or if you contact these people directly yourself.
    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
    Stephen

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