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    Amathyst.

    I have read and reread your posts, and I think you are looking for something that is not required, proof from a medical source of how your condition affects you. This is not what is required.
    If you have a condition and it has a debilitating effect, then first some proof or indication that the condition exists or is diagnosed as such. That is one thing and sparse though your evidence is, I think you have enough.
    The second point or stage, the one you seem concerned about, you more or less find the answer yourself in a previous post of yours:
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    To be very honest, the only person that knows how I'm impacted on a daily basis apart from myself and he doesn't know everything, is my Son, who is also my carer.

    So does the welfare rights officer need to state I have no evidence as such in regards to my FM and say why? or will a letter from myself and my Son help? "


    YOU are the one that knows best how it affects you, it is for YOU to present the facts, a letter from your son or athers would back this up, but it is you who is being asked directly how you are affected. No doctors lettters can describe it as well as you yourself.
    Just keepa diary for a week listing all the times and ways your condition affects you, this will tell the assessor a lot.
    Oh, and ignore folk who say the system is crooked, the assessors are out to trick you etc .........This is nonsense and it`s a wicked thing to say to people nervous enough already about a forthcoming assessment or interview.

  2. #12
    Ok thanks @RedFox

    Definitely no better sadly :/ worse if anything.

  3. #13
    Thank you @stree I appreciate your input and advice..

    You are so right, I've seen a lot of what you said at the end but there was a person that told me she had good experiences however the same person was telling me I needed evidence to prove how my conditions affect me on a daily basis, I was puzzled by this because I've never heard of having info on how something affects you because no one other than yourself can truly know how something affects you, all a GP or specialist could do is go off what you're telling them.

    I'll try and do a letter and a diary with my Son's help (if I need a letter, or will a diary on its own do?), I did try starting one but my brain was like Nah, you can't do this, I have headaches 24/7, poor concentration and attention span, fatigue etc. even reading is a chore and my Son reads my letters and such. I'll also ask my Son to request a patient summary and see if one of the GP's will also do a letter confirming my health problems?

    Thanks very much to those who have been advising me.

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by stree View Post
    Amathyst.

    I have read and reread your posts, and I think you are looking for something that is not required, proof from a medical source of how your condition affects you. This is not what is required.
    If you have a condition and it has a debilitating effect, then first some proof or indication that the condition exists or is diagnosed as such. That is one thing and sparse though your evidence is, I think you have enough.
    The second point or stage, the one you seem concerned about, you more or less find the answer yourself in a previous post of yours:
    "
    To be very honest, the only person that knows how I'm impacted on a daily basis apart from myself and he doesn't know everything, is my Son, who is also my carer.

    So does the welfare rights officer need to state I have no evidence as such in regards to my FM and say why? or will a letter from myself and my Son help? "


    YOU are the one that knows best how it affects you, it is for YOU to present the facts, a letter from your son or athers would back this up, but it is you who is being asked directly how you are affected. No doctors lettters can describe it as well as you yourself.
    Just keepa diary for a week listing all the times and ways your condition affects you, this will tell the assessor a lot.
    Oh, and ignore folk who say the system is crooked, the assessors are out to trick you etc .........This is nonsense and it`s a wicked thing to say to people nervous enough already about a forthcoming assessment or interview.
    I entirely agree with all that stree has written. The DWP cannot refuse awards unless there is strong evidence that you have overstated your conditions. They have to prove you are lying in effect.

    Yes, a letter from your son will be most useful as then there are two of you singing from the same songsheet.

    And yes, despite what is written at length about DWP employees, they are just doing a job. They have to strictly follow and apply the rules or they will find themselves out of a job if they make constant mistakes. Of course some make errors and so that is why there is a lengthy appeals procedure. DWP employees are just like other professions. Some are kind and some not so nice. They are under a hell of a lot of pressure themselves from day to day. It is not their fault; it is the govt. trying to get everyone (yes everyone) off benefits IMHO!

    Kind regards,
    redFox

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by RedFox View Post
    I entirely agree with all that stree has written. The DWP cannot refuse awards unless there is strong evidence that you have overstated your conditions. They have to prove you are lying in effect.

    Yes, a letter from your son will be most useful as then there are two of you singing from the same songsheet.

    And yes, despite what is written at length about DWP employees, they are just doing a job. They have to strictly follow and apply the rules or they will find themselves out of a job if they make constant mistakes. Of course, some make errors and so that is why there is a lengthy appeals procedure. DWP employees are just like other professions. Some are kind and some not so nice. They are under a hell of a lot of pressure themselves from day to day. It is not their fault; it is the govt. trying to get everyone (yes everyone) off benefits IMHO!

    Kind regards,
    redFox
    I totally agree with you in regards to the government, I believe it is them that gives the DWP the guidelines of what they are meant to do, the system is very unfair, it causes a lot of unwanted stress, we need a new system and one that doesn't make people who are already ill, worse.

    Ok, I'll sort that out this week with my Son regardless of the Welfare Rights officer saying I don't need evidence, I would rather send some sort of evidence than nothing at all.

  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Amathyst View Post
    I totally agree with you in regards to the government, I believe it is them that gives the DWP the guidelines of what they are meant to do, the system is very unfair, it causes a lot of unwanted stress, we need a new system and one that doesn't make people who are already ill, worse.

    Ok, I'll sort that out this week with my Son regardless of the Welfare Rights officer saying I don't need evidence, I would rather send some sort of evidence than nothing at all.
    That's the spirit Amathyst,

    The only thing to be sure of is that you don't make any contradictions between your initial application and this one - ie saying you couldn't do something last time & saying you can this. If things are worse say that as many times as you can on the new form. I know it is upsetting telling strangers about your conditions, but never, never understate them with the DWP! Also make real sure your son and you say approximately the same things about your conditions - not exactly the same or the DWP will think it is a cut & paste job!

    Once again, I wish you the best of luck.

    Kind regards,
    RedFox

  7. #17
    Luckily I have my old form, someone filled it in on my behalf, an advice centre, not that I can read the persons writing lol, the Welfare Rights officer has asked for the award notice and points given. I'll also have the previous form at hand just in case he needs to see it, the thing that gets me about the last form is that it has limited info on it, it was also done before my FM diagnoses, does that make any difference? I know he'll have to add that to the form.

  8. #18
    Hello Amathyst.
    Firstly 'Stop worrying' easier said than done, BUT !! TRY.
    We are ALL here on this site for YOU.

    The DWP LOVE documents pertaining to whatever ailment you have, GP's cannot diagnose anything apart from a cold.
    What you NEED to do is get your GP to refer you to a specialist/s for everything that ails you, The more documentation you have with a Consultants signature outlying your medical problems the better, as it helps the DWP in decision making.

    IF your GP trys to fob you off INSIST. GP's have a 'Duty of care' and if you feel you are being overooked Write to your Gp requesting they make an appointment with the revelant clinics.

    A diary is an excellent Idea, and when you do eventually get to see your consultants they will in all probability ask you to keep one, SO IF you already have one it will speed up anything that needs looking at more closely.
    As you already have enhanced PIP, The supporting evidence would probably have been done by your GP, Speak with your GP about your upcomimg review and you are concerned about it, ( Ask them IF they have done a PIP review for you before it's probably a YES.
    Take care.
    Regards

  9. #19
    @kalahari that's the problem I am having, I have asked to be referred to a few things at my current Dr's surgery and they've pretty much refused each and every time, one even said the NHS was backlogged and that they would need to have a good reason to refer, they literally will not refer me to anyway in regards to my fibromyalgia, the third one asked if I had seena rheumatologist and when I said no she said well they only really do what I have done and that's to rule out other health problems etc. (I had blood tests done), I even took some info into the Dr that said she would need a good reason to refer me from FM UK which said people needed to be referred to a rheumatologist.

    I find it very hard to push for things because of my severe anxiety sadly and my Son also has anxiety so he's not exactly pushy either.

    My last PIP award wasn't awarded based on my FM, I wasn't diagnosed with FM then, it was done based on my mental health and I think my lower back pain which I've had since I was a kid.

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