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    The premiums are only paid with IR ESA.
    It's the premiums that are the top-up.

    This is what this whole review is about.

    When they transfered people from IB they forgot to check their entitlement to IR ESA and only gave them CB ESA.
    This means that for years some people have not been getting the IR premiums that they should have been.

    They now have to put this right which is why they are re-checking everyone who transfered from IB.
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    Also we not got captail over 6k should I send it back?

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    yes, and also you only lose all entitlement if capital is over 16k not 6k.

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    So it a nutshell I'm still not sure what is best.... I done a check with the online calculator it said £115.15 CB Esa and 40.10 ESA, IR( have I missed out on it for years but they back pay me but I get less for even more years to Come) it also came up with child tax credit carers allowance child benifit but no sign of my DLA money does that mean I would lose that just to sacrifice get some IR ESA.
    Last edited by haribo82; 12-08-2018 at 09:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nukecad View Post
    Sorry about that, Carers Allowance gets complicated when it is mixed with other benefits and I needed to check a few things out.

    If you return the ESA3(IBR) and so claim for the IR ESA entitlement it will do 2 things.
    1. It would entitle you to additional disability premiums
    2. It would make it a joint claim because you are living with your partner.


    You are right about the CA not counting towards you getting Severe Disability Premium, because the CA is paid for looking after your mum not you so it wouldn't count.
    However I believe that you still do not qualify for the SDP because you are living with your partner, (Unless she also gets DLA/PIP), and other people.

    So that leaves the Enhanced Disability Premium.
    Everybody who is in Support Group and has an entitlement to IR ESA gets paid EDP, there are no other conditions.

    So your ESA would become ESA couples rate with the Support Group element and the EDP.
    That would be 114.85 + 37.65 + 23.55 = £176.05

    Now for the problems with the Carers Allowance.
    You can't be paid both CA and ESA at the same time on your own claim, but I believe that a partner on a joint claim can claim CA seperately.
    However this would then be counted as income, and deducted from the Income Related ESA on the joint claim.

    What is worse in this case is that the addition of a partner to your claim would mean the loss of your Transitional Addition. (That's one of the things I was checking).

    CA is currently £64.40 which when deducted from the £176.05 would leave you with £111.65 ESA in payment.

    Whether you would be due any backpayment would depend on when you became a couple (and or when she started claiming CA).
    If it was before you transfered from IB then you would not be due anybackpayment.

    As I say it gets complicated when CA is involved, but I believe that at the moment you are better off staying as you are with your CB ESA, the Transitional Addition, and no IR element.

    You may want to get all that double checked with a professional welfare advisor, you can find one local to you by putting your postcode in here:
    https://advicelocal.uk/find-an-adviser
    Nukecad, I think you have left out the Carer's Premium in your calculations which will be added to the joint ESA claim - a sum of £36.00 per week.

    This would certainly give them more money than they have currently so it would be worth while completing the ESA3 form to receive any back pay owing.

    OP, not everyone understands everything about benefits especially a specialist area like this.

    Advice is, always complete this form - we do not know all your circumstances from when you were transferred but on your current situation you should be receiving more money.

    Nothing ventured, nothing gained!

    PS. Your DLA will remain the same. It just doesn't show up in the final amounts in the benefits calculators.
    Last edited by pmlindyloo; 12-08-2018 at 10:25 AM.
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    Thanks for the reply s so would they owe me anything also does that mean it will start a new claim will they ask for bank statements I got to find the strength to keep going.

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    No, it will not start a new claim.

    Filling in the form is just to see if the DWP owes you anything.

    I think they do.

    If they need previous bank statements they will ask for them. I believe the form says you have to send your current bank statement(s)/savings accounts - read the form carefully to see what you have to send.

    Take your time. Complete the form as best you can - photocopy it if you can and keep the photocopy safe.

    There is absolutely nothing to lose. If they do not owe you anything then you will stay as you are. You will not lose any money but you may gain some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmlindyloo View Post
    Nukecad, I think you have left out the Carer's Premium in your calculations which will be added to the joint ESA claim - a sum of £36.00 per week.

    This would certainly give them more money than they have currently so it would be worth while completing the ESA3 form to receive any back pay owing.

    OP, not everyone understands everything about benefits especially a specialist area like this.
    Hi PMlindyloo,

    I admit that I may be mistaken. (You are usually better at the care benefits than myself).

    I had considered the carer premium.
    But my understanding is that the carer premium is only paid if the main claimant is the carer, (or both are carers), not if the claimaints partner is a carer for someone else?

    It's one of the things that I was trying to track down yesterday, and I could not find any reference to a partner caring for someone else getting the carer premium.
    The fact that I could find information about the partners CA being deducted as income from IR ESA would also seem to support that, if they were entitled to the carer premium then the CA would stop.
    (I believe that this is something to do with the main claimant having an underlying entitlement to CB ESA, with which CA cannot be claimed, but the partners addition being IR ESA).

    I also ran it through the entitledto calculator which came up with the same figures, without any carer premium added for the partner even though I had put her as caring over 35 hours.
    (It actually didn't remove the TA for becoming a partners claim, because it assumed the partner was already on the claim).

    If you can find anything more specific about it, it would be good to know.

    I was just concerned that from what I can actually pin down the OP would seem to get about £3.50 a week less money if he got the IR ESA entitlement, because of losing his TA by adding a partner to his claim, and then his partners CA being deducted as income.

    (That could be balanced if free prescriptions/helathcare came into play, but I suspect they may already get this?)

    That's one reason for making an appointment with a 'professional' advice service who should have access to better resources then we have.
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    Just got a letter saying we have arranged to visit you but dont say why ay help on this please ?

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    I've just run it through the entitledto calculator again.

    I simplified it to just take account of ESA.
    Here's what I entered:

    • Living rent free with family. (use any postcode).
    • 35 years old. (for simplicity).
    • Living with partner.
    • Don't mention children. (To keep it just about ESA).
    • Don't mention others in the house. (again to keep it simple).
    • Don't aim to claim UC.
    • Current claim for ESA.
    • Claimant not caring for someone.
    • Claimant has DLA, middle care, lower mobility. (A guess, it doesn't make any difference).
    • Partners age 35. (for simplicity).
    • Partner caring for someone.
    • Claimant getting ESA, main phase, Support Group.
    • NOT moved from IB. (again to keep it simple without the TA, which will be lost anyway).
    • Claimant already receiving CB ESA.
    • Partner spends 35 hours caring.
    • Cared for person not getting benefits. (Don't know just a guess).
    • Claimant/partner not caring for each other.

    That gives a result of £176.05 weekly ESA (114.85+37.65+23.55), there is no mention of a Carer Premium for the partner.

    As we know the partners CA of £64.40 would be deducted from that as income, leaving £111.65 which tallies with what I calculated yesterday.

    Hopefully I haven't missed anything important there, if I have then please give a shout.
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