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    P.A's and Direct Payments

    I'm thinking of changing my daughter to PA's from care agency.
    I have been told it can work out more hours - but

    Having looked into it as an employer she has to

    Pay holiday money and then money for another PA to cover
    Pay sick pay and then money for another PA to cover

    Plus I suppose the company who would be dealing with the transactions etc ( I am now 70 years old and thinking this would be the best way to keep things ticking over should I take ill )

    I am presuming money has to be saved from her D.P. for this and having done some calculating can't quite see how she would get that many more hours.

    How do others using PA's find this works?

    As a ps we already have two people interested who we know - both wanting 16 hrs per week
    Sea Queen

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    employing PA's

    [QUOTE=sea queen;164147]I'm thinking of changing my daughter to PA's from care agency.
    I have been told it can work out more hours - but

    Having looked into it as an employer she has to

    Pay holiday money and then money for another PA to cover
    Pay sick pay and then money for another PA to cover

    Plus I suppose the company who would be dealing with the transactions etc ( I am now 70 years old and thinking this would be the best way to keep things ticking over should I take ill )

    I am presuming money has to be saved from her D.P. for this and having done some calculating can't quite see how she would get that many more hours.

    How do others using PA's find this works?

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    Hi, for myself, SS deemed me worthy of a mere 3 hours and for that we use an agency carer.

    For my partner, who has kidney disease, and is on home dialysis, SS gave him ZERO hours , which is ridiculous but hey ho! I'm his carer for the dialysis part, but with both being disabled. there are jobs neither of us could do and others we struggle with. So we took the step of self funding someone 3 hrs a week. Later upped that to 2 ppl, a total of 5hrs. We also employ a cleaner out of own money

    Now it is the LAW that DP should pay for you to employ your own care, BUT they don#t tell you that and they like to take over the admin process if they are paying, which means they will ONLY pay the going rate, they insist on interviewing your candidates and insist they have training and DMB checked.
    DP may also limit what a PA can do. With self employing, we wrote own own, job description, advertised ourselves, interviewed ourselves and got 2 lovely ladies who are like family now! So they take on on socialisation in town, do garden work, housework, anything we ask basically.

    At for the paperwork - you can get a payroll provider like Penderels
    https://www.penderelstrust.org.uk/ who help you manage all of that.

    As for money: I take the view that this is a job without which we could not live - these workers make our lives so much better. So its worth paying them ABOVE the going rate, to keep them. Holiday pay, sick pay - its a RIGHT as an employer. Both our 2 go above and beyond the job specs, despite having a family of their own and demands on their time.
    It is important you have a contract of employment and keep it on the up and up.

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    For some reason my posts are not going through??
    Sea Queen

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    Ok so that one has -??

    There just isn't enough in my daughters budget for her continued care.
    The agency we had were much less than others around now - maybe that's why they struggled to employ staff!!

    I have someone from social care visiting next week as daughter hasn't had a review for quite a few years - things were going well. She had enough support and they were a very good agency.

    Watch this space
    Sea Queen

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    Budgets. Don't go there. Is this a carer for your daughter? If so she should be on some kind of benefit, and the DWP would argue that social care should be funded from that.
    DP still fund MY 3 hours - JUST. But we pay the PA's privately and from our savings. It may be that is what has to happen. Our situation is not ideal, but we decided we needed the help NOW, even if we have less in the future. I mean with Brexit and a climate catastrophe, we may not be around in 5 years or 10!!

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    Yes it is for my daughter who lives alone and already has a care package.
    She pays Co- Funding towards this from her PIP ( enhanced )

    She was fine with her awarded budget from social services until this need to change care agency.

    We now find their is a short fall in her monies and her budget cannot now completely support her needs.

    It is born purely because the care agency she has lost had a much lower hourly rate than what is charged now.
    Sea Queen

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    The meeting was held and the worker came with some ridiculous figure which she said was my daughters weekly budget - it wouldn't have paid for one day of her support! Goodness knows who's file she had brought with her
    I produced bank statements and an invoice for the main monthly support and she went a bit err quiet-
    Daughter then had a reassessment.
    She's referring us back to direct payments team for information on PA's.
    Meanwhile I carry on going over budget
    Sea Queen

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    Bonkers! i lost DP when we stopped getting ESA. Which happened when I inherited some money from my mom. Well obviously, thats paying (most ) social care now, but we also lost HB as well, so guess where my PIP goes? When the savings dip down again, we will have to re apply for ESA and DP, but loathe to do that atm, cuz it would tripgger change to UC and we've heard about that.....

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