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    ESA Assesment not good - UPDATE

    Hi
    I had my esa assessment it was a reassessment as I had one last year 2018 in january.
    Well the wait was an hour. my appointment was 11am, Receptionist came and said that because I needed to see a specialist there that knew my condition that is why they are running late.
    The assessor was a health care physiotherapist, some specialist.
    I dont think he had any knowledge of my conditions at all, he said I want to concentrate on these conditions and said what they were.
    He didnt really and never asked anything to do with them at all about 6 questions in all.
    Also said that he could not accept my Parkinsons Nurse details it had to be on official paper. I explained that on my form they knew when I was seeing her. My first appointment was 2nd august 2019.
    He said he also could not accept that I was being referred to other agencies to see what help I need eg: occupational health. As I needed official letters. He also stated that he really could not accept my Neurologist letter stating that I was diagnosed with parkinson and the date of diagnosis. Also what medication he was putting me on.
    I was not on my own and had my son with me, which most of the questions were directed at him I was only asked a couple.

    Assessment lasted approx half hour at most. At the end he said you will have to have another assessment.
    Where do I go from here? Can he say that?
    we think as it was near lunchtime he wasnt bothered about anything.

    I am not sure how this is going to go.
    I have notified my Parkinsons Nurse and my local parkinsons adviser.
    I know I cant get a copy of the report until at least next week.
    Any suggestions on where to go from here.
    Thanks
    Last edited by bub1; 08-13-2019 at 07:10 AM. Reason: update

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    Sounds like he was a stroppy bugger; he could have explained things better.

    But as we have said before assessments are not about conditions, but all about your abilities/capabilities.

    There is no requirement for the assessors to know about your conditions, simply because they are not assessing your conditions they are only assessing your capabilities.

    Assessments are also about how you are at that general time, so any future referals or future appointments cannot be considered.

    He should have accepted the neurologist's diagnosis, but again would only be interested in the meds you are taking now and not in what you may be taking in future.

    I'm not sure about saying you would need another assessment, did you hear that right?
    They usually say that it's not their decision and that someone at the DWP will make the decision later, is that what he said?

    For now it's just a case of waiting for the DWP Decision Maker to make the decision.
    Until you know what that is then there is not a lot to do.
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    Hi nukecad
    He didn’t ask what meds I was on now.
    Also I suffer depression he wasn’t interested in that even though documented
    Yes definitely heard him right I even had someone with me. They heard it to.
    I think that’s what is annoying me more what he said and not believing neurologist.
    I will see what report says and get back to you.
    I know it’s about what I can do but didn’t even ask that

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    I have had a copy of the assessors report.
    It doesnt really say much at all.
    It does cover some points that I didnt think it would cover.
    It did say that they reviewed Questionaire, Med 3, Previous Report, copy of prescription, consultant letter hospital correspondence and POID1 (whatever that is).
    It says The client was found to meet the criteria for Limited Capability for Work and Work related activity. Does that mean I stay in Support Group?
    At the Back on last page it says: Due to her fatigue, balance problems and breathlessness it is unlikely that she would be able to self propel a manual wheelchair over a short distance on a repeated reliable and safe basis. Therefore, severe disability is likely in the area of mobilising.
    The available evidence suggests improvement is unlikely in the longer term. Main issues musculoskeletal and respiratory and she continues to have input for this. Her neurological issue is not a major factor limiting her mobility at this point and therefore severe prognosis has not been advised.
    That is where he leaves it. is this ok?
    What decision will the decision maker give me roughly?
    Last year on my medical report she put review in the mid term, she seemed to think my illnesses would get better lol. That is why I had medical this year again 18 months.
    Any thoughts on this would be helpful. The decision maker has not made a descision yet as I telephoned this morning.
    I had the medical last Tuesday the 6th I received copy of medical report yesterday as I telephoned last thursday and they had received it.
    Thanks
    Last edited by bub1; 08-13-2019 at 07:24 AM. Reason: mispelt

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    POID1 - Proof of Identity form saying what ID you showed them at the assessment.

    "was found to meet the criteria Limited Capability for Work and Work related activity" means that they have assessed/recommended Support Group.

    "evidence suggests improvement is unlikely in the longer term" is recommending a long term prognosis, probably 3 years till your next reassessment which is the maximum they can give unless a severe prognosis is given.

    "severe prognosis has not been advised" means that you don't meet the most severe conditions, so will have a reassessment at some time.

    Of course those are recommendations and the DM doesn't have to agree, but they usually do.
    I'd say that you'll (almost certainly) get Support Group, but will have to wait and see what the review period is although it looks good for a long term one.

    So even though your assessor was stroppy, he was doing the actual assessment adequately.
    Last edited by nukecad; 08-13-2019 at 10:25 AM.
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    Thanks Nukecad.
    Was totally confused with the ending bit.
    I still think his bedside manner so to speak needs to be addressed.
    I will ring for DM decision next week and hopefully get some closure. Is it usual for them to leave of recommendation for review?

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    I've edited the above to add a bit about the 'severe conditions'.

    The DM has to enter a review date on your file.

    This is from their internal guidance (the bolding is theirs in the original):
    The date will be between a minimum of three months and a maximum of three years in the future, unless the claimant meets the Severe Conditions criteria. Where the DM decides the claimant has LCWRA and meets the Severe Conditions criteria the common prognosis fixed date of 01/05/2030 is input to prevent those claimants being reassessed. When the date has been entered in JA674694, JSAPS will automatically bring forward the prognosis date by 2 months. If the HAAS’ advice on the WCA outcome/assessment indicates the longer term, this should be set within two years.
    Note: the three year future WCA should only be applied to LCWRA outcome reports where a claimant is placed into the Support Group.
    (That bit about bringing the prognosis date forward by 2 months is just so they send a new ESA50 out 2 months before the review date)
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    I telephoned dwp today and the decision is the support group still with review in 2021 so that’s 2 years.
    Hopefully by then I will have even more evidence to send regarding my Parkinson’s and all the evidence from rehab physio etc.
    I was hoping no more assessment but it’s still a good result
    Plus it could give me 2 years rest from them unless I get worse or they call me in for another assessment. So thank you for your help

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