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Thread: My PIP has not been granted, feeling so worthless, any advice with appeal?

  1. #11
    They called me on my land line but seeing as I hadn't given them my mobile number they didn't have a choice. I understand the waiting around but once it's done you can move on to the next level. Let us know how you get on.

  2. #12
    I had my call this afternoon and I must say it was a waste of time, the lady was just not interested at all in going through the report with me and just let out a big sigh when I asked whether I could go through some points of the report to see why I scored what I did. Her reply to my questions was simply that I write about my points in my letter, it was a losing battle and I eventually gave up, asked for all the paperwork to be sent to me and ended the call.

    I was pretty peed off as I was hoping for some useful feedback to help me with letter but I think there is probably enough info on here to help me write a concise reconsideration. Maybe I could run my letter past someone before i send it off please?
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  3. #13
    I am disappointed to hear that the call wasn't as useful as you had hoped. I suppose different decision makers have different approaches. You are quite right in your attitude of getting on with what information you have. I did use the information I was given but also approached it as if I was starting again. I started with an introduction about me and a short description of what my life was like before my illness and then used each descriptor which applied to me as a heading. Remember the reconsideration is sent to a new more senior decision maker who knows nothing about you so you have nothing to lose by being as detailed as possible in 'painting that picture' of your day to day life.
    I am sure mine was not the longest narrative they have ever received but it was still nine typed pages. Don't forget to put your National Insurance number at the top of the page and keep copies.
    If you want to post your letter on here I am sure members on here would be more than happy to offer advice.
    Happy writing!

  4. #14
    Hi Perditaf and others, can i just ask how long it took for your reconsideration to be replied to? I sent my reconsideration letter recorded delivery so I know that they received it around a week ago. Thanks.

  5. #15
    Senior Member
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    Dec 2013
    It depends on the steps DWP take to assess your reconsideration. If they can make a new decision without further enquiries, the reconsideration may well take less than four weeks.

    If DWP need to refer anything back to the assessment provider for their comments, it can take rather longer.

    As we're now in the school summer holidays, it may well be that staff holidays mean longer waits.

  6. #16
    Senior Member
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    Dec 2012
    Reconsideration's usually take about a month to 6 weeks, though any fresh evidence you supply can extend the length of time significantly.

  7. #17
    Mine took just under nine weeks. After I had submitted my reconsideration I rang to check they had received it [even though I had sent it recorded delivery] I wanted to check they had it on the system and asked how long reconsideration's were taking on average. I was told between six to nine weeks.


  8. #18
    New Member
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    May 2014
    Hi my reconsideration took a week and a half, don't think they looked at it as not changed decision, on appeal now, good luck keep fighting xx

  9. #19
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    May 2013
    i do not envy your situation, it can be resolved,a lot of the assessment is hiow you answer it ,it would seem and if your condition does not fit any on the list that can cause problems,good luck

  10. #20
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    Dec 2013
    I keep seeing suggestions there is a list of "acceptable conditions" or similar, but I've yet to see anyone produce evidence that there is one, such as a "Decision Maker's Reasoning" section from a decision letter that says a problem cannot be taken into account because it does not have an "acceptable" cause.

    There are a handful of cases where the PIP Regulations dictate that only certain broad categories of causation for a problem can be taken into account - for example "psychological distress" must originate from an enduring mental health condition or an intellectual or cognitive impairment. The decision maker is also entitled to disregard anything they regard as voluntary, so it might be necessary sometimes to explain that not doing something is forced on you by a mental health condition rather than you deciding not to do it because you find it difficult.

    If you look at the successful PIP claims mentioned in these forums, they often are from people with poorly characterised conditions like me, or from people with several overlapping diagnoses.

    Often when I hear the complaint "DWP didn't take my condition seriously, I got 0 points", the problem was that the claimant didn't paint a full and clear picture of how their condition affected them.

    Giving a full description of the functional effects of your condition is crucial, even if you have a well known condition. PIP is awarded based on the functional effects of your condition. You can have two people with the same condition at a similar severity but who have very different functional effects. The decision maker can't assume - unless something is obvious (such as a person with no eyes being unable to see), they most likely will be forced to assume that if you didn't mention a problem, you don't have it.

    The other side of the coin is that I come across people providing very elaborate medical evidence, when all that is needed is to provide medical justification for the claimed functional effects. Obviously, if you have a rare condition, hidden condition or a mental health problem, you might need more detailed medical evidence than someone with an obvious physical disability. However providing reams of test results is probably unnecessary, especially if they are only tests that are normally interpreted by a specialist doctor in the field.

    Forum members seem to be broadly supportive of the "paint a picture of how your condition affects you" approach that I encourage. A PIP claim, reconsideration request or appeal is more likely to succeed if you give the reader a clear picture of how your condition affects you, backed by enough medical evidence to justify the functional problems claimed.

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