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    Question PIP Award - Motability Query

    Hi my name is Stephen. I was in a hit and run accident in July with a stolen car; I was on a motorcycle. Thankfully I'm still here to tell the tale, however, I sustained relatively major injuries, though none life threatening. I shall list my injuries, and how they affect me, and what you think of the award of one year.

    Injuries:
    Fractured hip, fractured/dislocated knee with 3 of the 4 ligaments torn, broken bones in foot (all right side);
    Drop foot on right side - peroneal nerve stretched (not torn) by 30cm but no movement for last 5 months which has resulted in massive deterioration of right leg, upper and lower;
    Broken left foot, fractured left wrist;
    Two broken vertebrae in lumbar region (coincidentally controls peroneal nerve but actual damage to nerve causes foot drop.

    How it affects me:
    Usual pain when walking through knee (both - left knee hurts due to transfer of body weight to left side of body);
    Pain through left foot when walking (not agonising but really uncomfortable when walking);
    Inside of thigh (groin), outside of lower leg and foot pain due to nerve damage so I constantly have pins and needles which is more painful upon heat or cold, sore to touch - this obviously affects sleep. I take medications which I won't get into as it doesn't work;
    I'm on crutches so with the left wrist I can't move very far, combined with the leg damage;
    My balance is screwed, I'd light ear damage and cuts, etc, the crash was that violent that it ripped my helmet right off so even making food is a nightmare (I've now someone who cooks for me - not complaining there);
    I could go on all day but in a nutshell - can't walk without crutches, pain with crutches on just a few metres, all in all I qualified for PIP at the Enhanced rate of Care AND Mobility (for one year only).

    Now the REASON I posted this was to find out if this sounds fair. I'm unlikely to walk again without the use of my AFO for the drop foot, I visit the gym 4 times a week (£3.50-£4 per taxi fare) - so on average it's about £120+/month just to visit the gym; then membership.
    Secondly, I visit physiotherapy and hydrotherapy 2 times a week (again £4-5, and the return fare) - £70-80/ month.
    This doesn't include having to get about, JUST gym and physio visits, which are a direct result of the accident.
    So if I am looking to get to the shops I have to get more taxis, and with the locations I go it's between £3.50-£6 per taxi. Then to get about to socialise (which I don't do now that I just can't physically get about) and basically anything you would use a car for, I have to pay for a taxi.
    By the way, I'm about £400-500 on average (per month) worse off than I was when I was at work (sales).

    I've rambled on I know but I just want to give the full picture. My question is: if my condition is unlikely to recover within (if ever) even a year shouldn't I have at least got PIP for at least two years???

    'Shorter term awards will last up to two years. The DWP will make these awards where they expect a change in your ability to carry out the activities in the assessment.'

    'Longer term awards could last up to five or ten years. The DWP will make these awards when they consider changes in your condition are less likely but could still be possible.'

    'Ongoing awards may be made in a small number of cases, where the DWP consider that a change in your condition is unlikely.'


    My reason for asking is that I've only got the PIP for ONE year, I'm completely limited in my movement, I can't get about anywhere without taxis and have to rely on taxis so much. It doesn't help when I've to wait a long time on a taxi and be late for appointments for doctors (2-4 times a month - again, more taxi fares). So my taxi fares frequently top £300/month, which is over half of my PIP. I cannot buy a car as I cannot afford one with the money I'm currently getting; and insurance is around £2k first time (I'm from Belfast, Northern Ireland).

    What advice would you give me, in terms of going for a reassessment to get a longer award, who should I contact, should I speak to my GP about it? What I do know is that I would definitely benefit from having a car, and would give me a little independence for the first time in nearly 6 months.

    Thanks to anyone that replies and sorry it was so long but hopefully this information helps you to help me.

    Thank you,

    Stephen.

    P.S. I GOT PIP ENHANCED (both components) FOR ONE YEAR SO CANNOT APPLY FOR A CAR ON THE MOTABILITY SCHEME.
    Last edited by StephenM69; 12-14-2014 at 06:13 PM.

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    There is no doubt you were involved in a serious accident for which you were blameless, Stephen.


    The length of award is not set by the severity of your problems or by the effect your problems are having on you, but by the likelihood of change over time. Though your walking is currently severely impaired, you were injured relatively recently and are undergoing treatment that seems to have the prospect of improving your mobility over time.

    For an award as short as one year, the decision maker must have concluded, likely following a recommendation from the assessment provider, that it is unlikely you will still have problems entitling you to PIP in a year's time. You will, of course, be free to apply again near the end of the award if you believe you are still entitled.

    Unless you can obtain medical evidence indicating it is more likely than not your walking ability will remain below 20m in a year's time, I think a one year PIP award is all you can expect at this time. You are free to ask for reconsideration, but without medical evidence I doubt the length of award will be changed.


    Motability leases are built around a three year term (five years for Wheelchair Accessible Vehicles), and it can cost the scheme a lot of money to dispose of cars that are returned early. The current position is that you have to have one year of the qualifying benefit remaining at the time you take delivery of a Motability vehicle.

    I might be misremembering, but I believe you used to have to have two years remaining at the time of delivery and, before that, qualifying benefit to the end of the lease.


    I understand the position you find yourself in, but I think your remedies lie elsewhere.

    If the cost of taxis is proving a problem, hospital transport might be made available, though your PIP Mobility award might disqualify you from this help.

    I realise that you were hit by a stolen vehicle, which will have been uninsured, but it might be possible to bring a claim against the Motor Insurer's Bureau, also you might have a claim against the Criminal Injuries Compensation Bureau. If you haven't done so already, I suggest seeking legal advice on these matters.

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    If you are recieving enhanced for both you can apply for a free disabled bus pass, you can either send all info in with the application or ask your gp to fill it out for you, we had to do this for my dad.. At least you would maybe then be able to save some penny's

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    To save me money I usually get a taxi to the bus stop, use my pass on the bus to the nearest place to my destination and get a taxi at the other end to where I am going. For the journeys I have to make it cuts taxi costs down to about half of what I would pay for the full journey by taxi even though there is a minimum taxi fare.

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    It's probably worth investigating if the area you live in has concessionary travel vouchers. The vouchers can be used to pay taxi fares; vouchers are not free but they are significantly discounted (e.g. quarter of the cost). This isn't a national scheme, and I've no idea if it exists everywhere, but it would certainly be worth investigating. Your entitlement to enhanced PIP will mean you are eligible, assuming there is a scheme you can use.

    Can understand your frustration at not being able to apply for a Motability car.

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    In the same vein as the wise advice of others, there may be a local dial-a-ride service you can use. If there is such a thing, it will not offer the same level of service as taxis, but it may be part of a package of measures including the use of taxis, a concessionary travel permit and a Blue Badge (if you got 8 points or more for the PIP "moving around" activity you are entitled to one without further assessment).

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    A friend of mine had a similar type of accident while on his bike but in his case the uninsured driver managed to also rip his leg off in the crash.

    Transport. As has been mentioned - travel vouchers cut taxi fares by two thirds. Hospital volunteer drivers - ask the hospital if they have a list - very useful.

    Damages. Despite the other driver not having insurance you'll find that there is a slush fund to compensate non-fault drivers which can run into a substantial figure - keep a diary and all receipts.

    Drop foot. I'll bring you right up to speed as to what is available on the NHS - leg iron attached to a shoe or boot you supply
    Electrical Stimulation - known as the Oddstock which was invented in the 1950s and has never been updated - absolute rubbish product.http://www.odstockmedical.com/dropped-foot-treatment-0

    This FES is a quality product that you could get with help from charitable donations http://www.bioness.com/Products/L300_for_Foot_Drop.php

    Support and advice about charities who could help finance equipment and adaptations. http://www.spinal.co.uk/page/advice-line

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    **Reply to FLYMO***

    Firstly, thank you for the comprehensive reply this really is a helpful site
    Second, yes I understand that Motability is available for one year minimum. However, I applied in October and received it in November (back-tracked) so there was only 11 months available for me.

    Third, I do have medical evidence that I cannot walk far without pain, below 20m. In fact, there's always pain on walking though I do push through it as I don't want it to be debilitating, though that has hampered my natural walk. The furthest I get is the front door of the hospital from the gym in the physiotherapy department. Further than that the pain is too much. On top of that it's pain as soon as I move, plus foot pain is, literally, constant. I have a nerve conduction study to be done in the next few weeks so maybe I'll have a better idea of quality of life in a few months. But I have not move my foot in over 5 months, so it is very unlikely it is going to recover. Plus there isn't any feeling on the top and pins and needles constantly around the outside of the foot - it is effectively paralysed. I've already developed a 'bad limp' so my natural walking form is way off and I've been trying to correct this for months, no luck. I can walk great than 50m, just, but not without pain and discomfort.

    With respect to the car lease I am not sure about the extension of the lease I didn't look into it that far as I really didn't read anything on PIP until I actually got it last month. My head was in a different place altogether but that gave me a little financial stability.

    I've thought about hospital transport that would save £80/month but I still have the problem of transport to gym, swimming pool, shopping, and hopefully back to work for a few hours a day a few times a week.

    I will claim from the Motor Insurance Bureau although I do have to wait a few years apparently to see exactly how my injuries will permanently affect my quality of life, however, I did not hear about the Criminal Injuries Compensation Bureau. I will look into that. I do still think my condition isn't being taken, how do I say, not seriously, but unfavourably? I'm not sure of the word but my inability to go anywhere without transport (except local street shop - 40m away) definitely isn't being considered with reasonable consideration, if that makes any sense. Though, I did get Enhanced Rates for both components.

    Anyway thanks for the reply and input. I do appreciate it and I am a little the wiser now thank you
    Last edited by StephenM69; 12-15-2014 at 04:37 PM. Reason: I didn't "quote" user reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xxviroxx1 View Post
    If you are recieving enhanced for both you can apply for a free disabled bus pass, you can either send all info in with the application or ask your gp to fill it out for you, we had to do this for my dad.. At least you would maybe then be able to save some penny's
    I didn't know that, it will definitely come in handy as both the gym and hospital can be accessed from the same bus. I'm just not counting on the weather improving any time soon, it snowed here two days ago and is constantly raining, and yes it's freezing. Apart from that that's a valuable piece of info thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by beau View Post
    To save me money I usually get a taxi to the bus stop, use my pass on the bus to the nearest place to my destination and get a taxi at the other end to where I am going. For the journeys I have to make it cuts taxi costs down to about half of what I would pay for the full journey by taxi even though there is a minimum taxi fare.
    Taxis are relatively cheap in Belfast - £3.50-£4 for minimum fare. So it defeats the purpose for me when I can get the taxi straight there. It would work, and definitely good advice, for places like London, or other expensive places, but Belfast isn't that bad.

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